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The true meaning of "tla"

Early to mid 2003:
< tomlord> (it really stands for "true love, always", of course)

What part of stfu did you not understand?

tomlord, 7/24/03:
 _Like_ a rant? _Like_ a rant?!?!  Geeze, I thought it was a pretty unambigious rant.

Any dope could do this

Tue Jan 13 22:30:35 EST 2004
22:28 < tomlord> tornado: you pass a function that takes a function (which
might or might not be itself) to another function that passes
its argument to itself.

Now to season the stew just right...

Wed Jan 14 21:08:28 EST 2004, on tla coding style
<lifeless> He'll probably piss on it anyway, to get the right smell. But i like to
reduce the amount of wee needed.

Whadayamean you don't get tla?

Date: 31 Jan 04 01:43:26 GMT Tom Lord:

You got (and I counted them) exactly Umpteen replies each of which
patiently answered your question in excruciating detail.
     Tom lord, replying to a user that complained about the help he
     received on the gnu-arch-users mailing list.

tla development

Wed Mar 24 13:59:04 EST 2004
<asuffield> the trick is to talk like you know what's going on. people
will assume it's their fault for not following the discussion, while
in reality you're just shooting from the hip

Society sucks

Thu May 13 22:09:02 EDT 2004 James Blackwell
rule #1 of humanity: If you dig a swimming pool, somebody will piss in it.
Yours truly, commenting on somebody corrupting the gnuarch wiki.

At least the mailing list works?

Tue May 18 23:33:27 EDT 2004
* walters kicks mail.gnu.org
< asuffield> in twenty minutes it'll go "ouch"

Are you serious?

Tue Aug 17 11:33:30 EDT 2004
> arch line keeps a happy pace while retaining overall quality and
> robustness against the dubious ideas of any one contributor.
                      -Tom Lord while actively developing furth,
                       while discussing something unrelated

Close those bugs, or pay the cost

Wed Sep  1 19:51:46 EDT 2004 Andrew Suffield
And I have a vast array of ways to annoy people in an
automated fashion and no semblence of conscience
                -Andrew Suffield on how to get people to close their
                 bugs.

What do you use it for, anyway?

<jblack>  What are you using baz for anyways? 
<jamuraa> I'm using it for, you know, what everyone else uses baz for - source control :P

Changing History in Arch

< pmw> But you acknowledge that if it's done correctly AND in an
       appropriate situation, removing an archive without a trace
       is not problematic.
< jblack> pmw: The model *can't* do it right. It at best can do a
          half assed job that at least minimizes the damage.
< jblack> pmw: Its like making a boat out of a car. Sure, you can
          do it, but it'll take a huge amount of work, and for all
          the work you do, it'll be a crappy boat.

A few minutes later, in the same subject: 

< pmw> jblack: There is no need to worry about not losing data if
       I --  the user, the owner of the archive -- certify that it's
       safe to delete it.
< ddaa> pmw: in a distributed system, decisions like that affect the
        rest of the world. It's not about just shooting one's foot off.
        It's about shooting the feet of everybody on the planet wearing
        a specific brand of shoes.

Death is a state of mind

(16:37:21) Zindar [~bagfors@114.221.181.62.in-addr.dgcsystems.net] entered the room.
(16:37:35) Zindar: hi
(16:37:40) Zindar: dead as usual?
(17:59:08) lifeless: nup
(17:59:10) lifeless: never dead
(17:59:14) lifeless: that would be bazaar
(17:59:43) lalo: bazaar is not dead, just lifeless.
(17:59:51) lifeless: rotfl

Where is the love?

(12:56:23) mlh: jblack, sourcecontrol.net seems to be a fair way behind thelove
(13:17:26) jblack: again?
(13:17:39) jblack: Let me take a quick look at it
(13:19:20) jblack: Ok. Its a network error.
(13:19:27) jblack: I'll pass a note to the appropriate person.
(13:51:53) lalo: from: jblack to: admin subject: sourcecontrol doesn't get thelove
(13:52:31) lalo: please help sourcecontrol find thelove.  Thanks.  Cheers, jblack.

Language Choices

13:54 < mrd_> ...arch was originally in shelly scripts  
              but still proved useful before being rewritten in C.
14:06 < asuffield> that is also the primary issue with tla's code at present
14:08 < abentley> asuffield: could you expand?  The primary issue with tla's 
                  code is that it was rewritten in C or that it was originally 
                  in shelly scripts?
14:08 < asuffield> both
14:08 < asuffield> it is now shell scripts written in C

Why "Not Created Here"

01:31 < lifeless> and thats where my concern is - why not leverage ??? and
                  bind to it rather than constructing from scratch
01:35 < tomlord> in the latter case, i can link against a few thousand
                 lines of code and be done.   in the former case, i have to
                 link against 2 powers-of-ten more times code plus a bunch
                 of libraries, half of which aren't stable, half of which
                 have known exploits, half of which don't build cleanly
                 except on RedHat Linux and Joe's
                 East-Bufuck-Real-Good-Distro,

Conservative

<talli> LowLander: ddaa is generally right - the active development for new features and UI improvements is
taking place in baz. tla is a more conservative line
<bignose> which, again, is not a bad thing.
<ddaa> thanks for rectifying my slightly biased account :)
<LowLander> well "more conservative" is not always a bad thing
<bignose> I'm glad Tom is conservative with tla
<bignose> I just wish he'd be conservative more quickly :-)

Wrong Terminal Humor

-!- tomlord has joined #arch
< tomlord> ls
< cehteh> .
< cehteh> ..
< sri|work> svn/

ld Aesthetics

<knewt> xorAxAx: tom wasn't signed in when you asked the original question
<knewt> < xorAxAx> ld doesnt find the __imp__XML_ParserFree symbol while making. why?
<knewt> < xorAxAx> (ne_xml.o)
<tomlord> well, i think the answer must be something like
"ld is now an ai and, as such, has developed an aesthetic taste.
it simply doesn't like xml."

Terminology

< mascht> who can i seal an archive without adding a new revision?
< bob2> mascht: you can't
< ddaa> mascht: btw, you cannot "seal an archive"
< bob2> you can seal a version
< mascht> thx, i always mix the names :)
< ddaa> "Yesterday, I went to the book and borrowed a library"

Innuendo

<ddaa> asuffield: you are speculating.
<asuffield> no. your hands will drop off.
<ddaa> I have practical experience with the thing, and I can tell you it rocks.
But it sure takes a while to get used to.
<ddaa> A while ~ a couple of months.
<asuffield> give it ten years


<ddaa> And you save a lot of needless hand motion too.
<wildfire> you can save needless hand motion by not wanking as well
<wildfire> good morning
<asuffield> ...I wasn't going to say it *quite* like that
* ddaa looks up "wanking"
<asuffield> none of that makes any difference anyway. it's not motion that matters,
it's holding muscles under tension in the wrong positions
<ddaa> You need not hold the muscle under tension.
<ddaa> You can just rest the hand on the tactile surface.
<asuffield> unless you've mastered one of the eastern arts, I bet you can't
<asuffield> people do not naturally have the ability to relax their muscles while awake
<ddaa> asuffield: resting five fingers at once is the rest gesture.

obviously...

<jblack> ddaa: You mean in addition to the obvious?
<ddaa> jblack: my obviotron is apparently broken. Please elaborate.

luxury

Zenaan> ed?! What luxury! In the days ... it was echo and cat for
Zenaan> us...

Samuel> Why echo? cat is more than enough to write into files :)
Samuel> 
Samuel> % cat << FOO >> file.c
Samuel> int main(){
Samuel> ...
Samuel> }
Samuel> FOO
Samuel> 
Samuel> Oh, maybe you have a luxury shell with echo built in :)

nikolai> You are of course assuming the luxury of a shell

Talli and Computers

Mistakes

[<ddaa> First rule of Arch: You cannot change history.
 <ddaa> Second rule of Arch: Information wants to be free.
 <mnemoc> Third rule: mistakes doesn't exist?]

<ddaa> Mistakes are part of history.

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